Size Matters: Louie, Louie

One of my favorite sometimes cringe-worthy shows is Louie on FX. I've long been a fan of Louis C.K., while I will admit his humor is sometimes problematic. So his new show, naturally, is hilarious and sometimes problematic. I haven't had a big problem with it so far, but the last episode (I don't know what day it was actually on because I TiVo everything) was full of fail on so many different levels it's amazing. I'm not going to go into detail on every level of fail. Other sites have dealt with that. What I am going to go into is the very last part of the episode when the above screencap took place, because this is a blog about representations of fat in pop culture. Yes, Louis went there. He made it with a fat black chick. A very vigorous fat black chick.
My beef with this is that the short scene in which the making occurs basically reinforces every stereotype about fat women's sexuality and in particular fat black women's sexuality. Louis has spent the last half of the episode pursuing a black woman ostensibly to go black and not go back. At the end, she rejects him and goes into her house. He's all sad because he didn't get to dip into that. But out comes another black woman, a fat black woman who leers at Louie and smiles suggestively. You know, that creepy sex-crazed smile and leer that fat black women are CONSTANTLY shown as affecting in every damn representation of fat black female sexuality. Cut to the next scene, said woman is on top of Louie, rocking the bed, making exaggerated faces indicating extreme sexual pleasure, and Louie is just under her looking bewildered.
Now how you're going to get pleasure out of a dude laying there underneath you not doing shit I don't know. But fat black women are portrayed doing this pretty much every time they're shown having sex. Apparently we have some kind of animalistic desire bubbling under the surface that's just waiting to envelop some awkward but eager guy. And apparently we harbor this desire for any paunchy balding guys we see hanging out creepily next to our doorways.
I'm not going to say fat black women don't get buck wild sometimes because we do. Of course, pretty much every woman does at some point. But when we're shown doing nothing BUT getting buck wild in a humorous way, well, that's a harmful representation. It feeds into the "black women are oversexed freaks" stereotype as well as the "fat women are desperate for sex" stereotype. I mean, basically if you wanted to name a stereotype involving fat women and black women, that two-minute scene was a great mashup. It was extremely disappointing, and that's saying a lot because however it may appear, I am not easily offended. But I had to say something at that point because the episode was iffy as is and then that was just the cherry on top of the shit sundae the viewer was served.
This is why we must critique the pop culture we consume. You better believe if I'm going to watch a show that I love but can be problematic—I've got to analyze the problematic elements and recognize them when I see them. Like I said, I'm a fan of Louis C.K. But that doesn't mean I can give him or his show a pass when he produces something like this last episode.
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I guess nobody has a problem
I guess nobody has a problem with you call this woman "fat". Anyhoo. I hate how every depiction of fat, black women having sex involves us having jacked up hair! WTF?
there was a scene similar to this on Six Feet Under during its second season. I think the fat black woman was supposed to represent "life" and Monk's first shrink was supposed to represent "death". Well she climbed on top of him and they were going at it (complete with animal noises, they weren't even trying to be subtle) while Nate Fisher looked on with initial curiosity, then - you know - horror.
Excellent post, Tashie.
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Yeah why DOES our hair
Yeah why DOES our hair always have to look tore up? I guess our arms are too fat to reach up and tame that mess.
While I appreciate the
While I appreciate the sentiment of wanting a fellow sister to look her best while being made fun of on TV, but I think the terms "jacked up," "tore up," "needing to be tamed" implies a standard of beauty that might be problematic.
Exactly what I wanted to
Exactly what I wanted to write!
If you're talking about the
If you're talking about the fact that her hair is natural when you say "a standard of beauty that might be problematic", my hair is natural as well and I can say that there are times when it is "tore up" not because it's nappy but because I slept on it, or did any number of other things that causes ANYONE'S hair to look tore up, regardless of race. And I wear my hair in a full on coily fro most of the time. So I don't mind pointing out that amongst the stereotypes of fat black women there is a stereotype of women with natural hair that our hair is "unkempt" and this woman's hair fulfills that stereotype.
As Erykah says "pick your afro daddy, because it's flat on one side".
I roll unprocessed and I'm
I roll unprocessed and I'm not talking about natural hair here. Besides, that is NOT a picture of natural, unprocessed hair; it's a picture of a jacked up looking relaxed hair. It is a picture of a fat, black female who needs to get her hair together in the throes of animalistic lust, which is frequently used in pop culture.
Natural hair is glorious. Grooming's nice too. This character or her hair is not positioned as either. Hope that helps!
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so it's ok...
So it's ok to talk about what is beautiful/good/kempt as long as we're talking about how someone is being represented as being ugly/bad/unkempt. Got it.
Tell you what, when black
Tell you what, when black women and their sexuality are positioned in positive or neutral ways then this might be a valid tangent. Until then, it just scans as a derail and a very tired one at that. This is not a conversation about what is beautiful. This is a conversation about how black female sexuality is framed, often with certain behaviors, grooming habits coded as "unattractive". This doesn't mean fatness, or blackness or jacked up hair are innately bad things. it does mean, that since it was Louis' intention to frame it that way, it's annoying to me and I felt motivated to comment, since it's not exactly a novel trope. Not sure what about this is complicated for you, but perhaps it's because you're not sure of my own racial identity. Let me clear that up for you: I'M BLACK! Hope that helps.
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Yeah I was thinking that
Yeah I was thinking that looked like relaxed hair that had just been washed and not dried or combed or something.
She's not fat, she's pretty!
Thanks for this post. I haven't seen this episode yet, though I've been watching (and enjoying and digging into some of the problematic parts of) the rest of the series eagerly. One of the things I like about him as a comedian is that he checks himself on occasion--for using the word "faggot", for example--and shows some of the awkward and challenging parts of wrestling with privilege. He often ends up bearing the brunt of the joke, or at least showing some awareness of "isms". ("So 10,000 years of unchecked white male privilege isn't enough for you?") Doesn't sound like he's even close to interrogating anything here, though. (Come to think of it, to a lesser degree, the fat poor white woman he hooked up with earlier in the season was not really a complicated or interesting portrayal, either. I hope this isn't going to be a pattern on the show.)
I agree
One of the things I like about him as a comedian is that he checks himself on occasion--for using the word "faggot", for example--and shows some of the awkward and challenging parts of wrestling with privilege. He often ends up bearing the brunt of the joke, or at least showing some awareness of "isms". ("So 10,000 years of unchecked white male privilege isn't enough for you?")
I agree, I like that about him too, and it sucks because this episode is so NONE of the good things about him. I got a couple laughs in and that was it. The rest was like "the fuck?" Hope next week makes up for that.
agreed
I literally just watched this episode and then logged on and saw this! so, thanks for keeping tabs on my TiVo and then instantly writing a blog post analysis of it just minutes after i watch it, you're the best. I couldn't quite pin down what i didn't like about this episode until I read this article, I think you're absolutely right. I loved how Tareesa told him off at the end, I wish the episode had just ended there honestly. However, I still think Louie is a great show and that no one should let this dissuade them from watching it.
She happens to be both...
Not to nitpick here people, but if we're interrogating the issue of predetermined social ideas...can I just point out that in the comments here we seem to be creating a dichotomy between "pretty" (read: worthy of respect based on body appearance) and "fat".
One can be both! I just happen to be a pretty, fat woman. Just sayin'...
Exactly
If I'm not mistaken, aliciamaud used the statement in her title sarcastically to protest against people upholding that same dichotomy.
Yes! Alicia's comment made
Yes! Alicia's comment made me LOL. Definitely snarks on those who have no problem allowing the label of "fat" to stand if they don't feel the subject of the label is hot. Thus continuing the framing of fatness as being the opposite of attractive.
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Aliciamaud is sarcastically
Aliciamaud is sarcastically referencing a long, awful comment thread on one of my first posts here in which people decried me calling Sara Ramirez from Grey's Anatomy "fat" because, in their estimation, she couldn't be fat because she was pretty. I encourage you to read the archives of this blog if you're interested in reading about why Aliciamaud would say that.
Tarese and the unnamed fat black woman
I just saw this episode last night and . . . ho boy.
So Wikipedia informs me that the (unnamed?) fat black woman Louie has sex with at the end of the episode is supposed to be Tarese's sister, the cashier whom Louie stalks earlier in the episode. I was not clear on this when I watched it, but the two women are paired by living in the same apartment complex. Tarese states that he'll never get to have sex with her (after telling him to suck a dick, which I found unfortunate), closes the door behind her, and then the fat black woman appears and gives him a horny smile . . . We know what follows.
This configuration puts the two women in sharper contrast with one another. Though Tarese has an average job, she's conventionally pretty, is of "average" build, and is sexualized in Louie's imagination (close-up shots aplenty on her lips while he's in the check-out line, culminating with her smiling and removing the vest from her uniform).
As you say, the fat black woman Louie settles for at the end is represented quite differently. That she's both a) on top of him and b) eliciting visible terror we can read on Louie's face further exacerbates the "comedy" they're trying to mine out of this tired, regressive scene, made all the sadder by the reality that we'll probably never see either character again and thus never give them any nuance. As it stands now, all I got from the episode was "geez, the orgasm of the fat black woman is scary . . . let's render it powerless by exaggerating it so we can laugh at her pleasure." :(
This entire storyline was really unfortunate and could have played much differently. What a missed opportunity.
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Tarese and the unnamed fat black woman
Wow. First of all, I had this episode waiting for me on the DVR, and I was relieved to find when I watched it that it pretty much didn't offend me AT ALL. I thought it was pretty typical Louie humor, actually.
And as to Louie "settling" for the larger black woman at the end: that's not quite how I saw it. I thought that he saw the bigger woman and thought "Oh. Okay. *This* woman is more in *my* league, while Terese is completely *out* of my league." Like he suddenly realized what a dick he was being. Which I appreciated, because there's another discussion on this site right now about the f*cked up dichotomy of pretty women and average, or even ugly, or fat men on television, especially in comedies.