Sex and the Fat Girl: Fat Bottomed Girls

Outside the world of runway models, a degree of fatness is desirable--but only in certain places. We talked about desirable fat body configurations, but what about that gray area dividing thin women from fat known as "voluptuousness"? Society is willing to accept fat body parts, but distribute it throughout your entire body and watch folks retreat. Over the years, our culture has often swung back and forth between desiring voluptuousness and desiring androgynous thinness. Models are considered beautiful, exquisite even, but unless they have some "curves" they aren't so much considered sex symbols. The models who get attention for their sexiness are curvier models (and "curvy" is of course, relative) like Gisele or any number of Victoria's Secret representatives. And there are certain celebrities whose bodies possess the proper amount of badonkadonk to be considered sex symbols. I'm talking about bodies like Mad Men's Christina Hendricks', or unreality star Kim Kardashian's.

Most rational people wouldn't call them fat, but they have individual bodily characteristics that mimic fat women's body parts--specifically a big ass, big tits, and big hips. There's a partner to this that's usually not spoken when discussing how great "curvy" women are, and that's possessing a small waist. Unfortunately for me, stomach rolls are apparently not considered "curves." My response to that is that they seem to curve pretty well. But, I digress. Society wants some of our erogenous zones supersized, but leave it at that, please. You would think the cognitive dissonance in believing some fat body parts are acceptable while reviling fat in general would blow people's minds, but most people don't think that deeply. They prefer to marinate in contradiction. The fact that Hendricks and Kardashian are called "healthy" in comparison to say, so-called "anorexic thin" models reflects our culture's current pendulum swing to finding women with a bit of extra meat on their bones desirable. What switch goes on in our collective minds to allow big butts and big hips a pass but big thighs and arms get cut out of the game? Personally, I attribute a lot of it to the overall objectification of women.

These fat body parts are made acceptable because they contribute to the hypersexualization of women. It's no accident that women who possess these characteristics are constantly referred to as sexpots, "bombshells," and seductresses. The word "voluptuous" has many definitions, but they all refer to some kind of "sensual enjoyment"--so really, any time a woman is referred to as such, they're basically being rendered solely as an object of sexual desire and a source of pleasure for the male gaze. Rather than something women should strive to be, voluptuousness is a cage in which women are confined and displayed to produce sexual excitement for the viewer. Any way you go with fat, whether it's a fat body or fat body parts, we're running into walls trying to keep fatness as Other.

Our culture's relationship with sex is contradictory and Puritanical. Our culture's relationship with fat is convoluted and confusing. And our culture's relationship with women is oppressive, demeaning, and objectifying. Add the three together and you've got one witches' brew of a complex situation that will take a whole lot of work to unravel. While we're working on society, we must also do work on ourselves so that we recognize objectification and hypersexualization of fat body parts is not something that's really desirable. Sure, it's great that you're seen as sexy because you've got the proper measurements, but do you want attention to be paid to you solely as a product of an oppressive gaze? Fatphobia hurts everyone--fat women, thin women, and women who are considered "healthy" but voluptuous. Just one more reason why fat is a feminist issue.

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I <3 this post. That's all

I <3 this post. That's all for now!

I think you make great

I think you make great comments about how fatphobia is harmful to everyone in many ways and is a very complex issue (despite what many people think). My only issue is that you state certain rhetoric surrounding which areas of the female body are allowed to be fat because it portrays an image of "sexy" makes females an object for the male gaze, but I think we should extend to this to objectification by any gazer -- male or female. The fact of the matter is, a lot of fatphobia and rhetoric surrounding bodies is supported within the female homosocial (be it sexual or not), so to restrict it only to "male gaze = bad" I think makes the arguement appear restrictive, when it is definitely not. This is too complex an issue to say this rhetoric makes the female body a sex object for only the male gaze, and I think sexuality and our society is more complex than this allows -- gotta respect Laura Mulvey and the work she did, but let's face it: men and women both gaze and objectify female bodies. This is not to turn this issue into women-versus-women, but just to further illustrate how convulated and confusing this whole situation really is.

Fat-phobia

I was just reading Brene Brown's chapter on body image and shame yesterday, so this post feels like great synchronicity. In her book, "I Thought it was Just Me (but it isn't)", Dr. Brown describes an exercise she uses in her classes to help them understand the cultural intensity of perfectionism and body shaming. She asks them to bring in favorite magazines and use the magazines to create a collage of their "ideal look." These ideal looks are almost without exception made from bits and pieces of pictures: a face here, a torso there, a set of legs from over here. . .etc. Her point is that "perfection" as we are socialized to think of it can only be achieved by "carving it out"--literally. Dr. Brown went on to say that, when she asks students to find something in the magazines that represents who they are right now, the collages are smaller, more frustrating, less complete.

It's an amazing illustration of how our bodies have become commodities, with nothing representing the diversity of real women. Thanks for another great illustration, and the reminder that all areas of oppression are feminist issues.

Frustration

This is a great article. My partner is a big girl, and was constantly condemned for her size by her previous boyfriend, who sought to control her by destroying her self-confidence. Now she won't get changed in front of me because she's been convinced her body is "disgusting", and she can't understand how I find her attractive.

It's fair to say I'm guilty of objectifying her, as I find large women beautiful, but equally, it doesn't mean I find other people ugly because they're slim etc. As another person has remarked, we all objectify people we find attractive regardless of gender. Where society has gone wrong is that we assume that only slim people are visually acceptable, when this is clearly not the case.

I have those curves. Tiny

I have those curves. Tiny waist, boobs, hips, ass. And I love them. It kind of feels like you're attempting to shame women like me who have the body type that makes us like that, even if that's not your intent.
I'd also note that there's a biological reason for all that attention to those parts. They're a sign of fertility and we monkeys like to pass on our genes.

Additionally, I agree with a previous comment that says we ought to apply that objectifying gaze ('cause let's be honest, it's real) to both sexes. I do it, my male friends do it, everyone does it. This isn't say that we can't stop, just that we all do it.

As a thin girl with big

As a thin girl with big knockers (34 DDs, I stand 5'4" and I'm about 130 lbs. and probably about seven pounds of that is boob), I have a problem with terms like "voluptuous." In short, I think it's a disgusting word, and the fact that breasts (and butts, but I haven't dealt with that issue personally) are so fetishized in our culture is difficult for me to deal with. Many people--men, women, strangers and friends alike--fixate on my breasts and often don't notice the rest of me, and have expressed surprise at "how thin" I actually am in contrast to the breasts. They also like to remind me that I have large breasts frequently ("You have such big boobs!"), you know, in case I forget. I've also had people say, in front of me, that it's not "natural" for anyone under 140 pounds (alternately called "skinny bitches," which is a term that I find offensive) to be a D cup or larger.

Really? I kind of just want people to stop talking about tits.

Yes. I'm always amazed at how

Yes. I'm always amazed at how freely people discuss women's bodies in general right in front of us or to us. My breasts used to be larger than they are now, and I was "known for them". I'm thinner than most of the women in my office, and I get reminded of this...constantly. I've told people that it's rude to talk about my body, but they always look perplexed. If they're not outright insulting me, how can it be rude for them to talk about my body? If they tell me I'm think and have a nice, big rack, and that I'm thin, what's the problem?

The problem is that it sends a message that the most interesting thing about me is my body, and because bodies change all the time, I could become more or less interesting depending on how my body is doing that day. I'd really like it if we all just stopped talking about bodies in general.

I got a breast reduction two

I got a breast reduction two years ago for various health (back problems, being to shy to go to the gym ect) issues but also because of this notion of being "just tits". Thats what people remembered about me and I hated being objectefied for my breasts. I weighed 135 pounds, was 5'6 and wore an H32 (My weight dropped down to 125 a week after my surgery.. so that just shows how heavy they really were) .I am naturally quite thin, and was very unproportionate. It just made it 1000 times worse to have people talk about them all the time... no matter how "sexy" or "desired" this body type was.

I'm totally with you when you say that people should just stop talking about tits.

I have them, too...

I have those curves, too... and they are a pain in the rear. As a high school teacher I do NOT want any attention on my body shape...we are all here to learn, and I have knowledge, and that's all we should be focusing on. The hypersexualization of my body type, as the "seductress, vamp" means that I have to work twice as hard to get intellectual respect, and I have to ignore what really amounts to sexual harassment from my students. Just to say, even if you fall on the "right" side of this particular weirdness, it is not an asset...if you want to be seen as more than an a**.

No Simple Solution

I agree with some of the other posts, it's a two way street. Women objectify other women as well. I believe much of the motivation for women objectifying each other comes from a strong desire to compete and dominate. We live in a reality where looks matter more than we would like them to. I have found the best way to break away from the problem is to build self worth that rests on something other than looks.

hmmmm

i definitely agree with you that woman who have "weight" in certain erogenous zones are not considered fat but healthy. however, the fact that they dont have fat anywhere else does make them healthy. losing weight in the ass and breasts is quite difficult if it is genetic and not all women want to have a phat ass or big boobs, not all women want to look like a model either. i mean lets be honest, you can criticize the way society looks at women, but this is based on what is found sexually appealing, that is the majority of the focus in sex and during sex and in deciding who to take home for sex, notwithstanding weird fetishes. the breasts and the rear end (vagina) on women are forbidden to be exposed, at least in america, so thats why there is so much focus upon it by men. not only that in choosing mates, men at least look at these things maybe subconsciously for procreation, curvier women with large breasts, thin waist, big hips, can pop out kids, but women who have all that AND are fat everywhere else, well that doesnt signify health in pregnancy or health in the offspring, (this is a stereotype i know) and yes i know some women can decisively state they dont want kids, but this is an subconscious aspect sometimes on the part of their partner.

but i dont think that stomach rolls as an aesthetic marker of beauty in our culture, in america is going to happen anytime soon. i mean in western culture, are men OR women ever like "i wish i had a LARGER stomach and more rolls?" how is this healthy as opposed to having C size breasts or a phat ass. what is healthy about a waist that protrudes so that is hides your genitals, or you cant fit any clothes, or you feel uncomfortable looking at your own reflection. I think most people would say that excess fat on the stomach would be unhealthy. whereas with ass and breasts women can go either way with what they want, bigger or smaller. and would you prefer a partner with a beer gut or stomach rolls? (yes, i know, we only REALLY care about our partner's personality)

it's interesting that you mention cristina hendricks because she may be like the ONLY celebrity who is really voluptious, and my body is very similar to hers. i mean really her presence has inspired more of a voluptious movement, the pin up girl look, which is really restricted to voluptious women because model types dont have the curves to fill out those tight dresses. she has started a revolution and her breasts are bigger than marilyn monroe and shes likes a 12 or 14, i mean she is almost too much, sort of bringing back the hottentot persona, which for black women as well is really nice.

"Rather than something women should strive to be, voluptuousness is a cage in which women are confined and displayed to produce sexual excitement for the viewer. Any way you go with fat, whether it's a fat body or fat body parts, we're running into walls trying to keep fatness as Other."

I have to disagree with this statement, I don't understand why a woman being concerned or even happy with the fact that she has large breasts or ass, or wants to get that way MUST correlate with the reciprocity of the male gaze.Some women arent looking for anyone's approval. and just want to look good for themselves. while im not perfect, im not gonna let myself go because my working out happens to emphasize body parts that men look at. When I try to lose my stomach weight, and look at myself naked in the mirror and feel GOOD about myself, i dont feel like im in a cage, i feel free. I mean thats like saying, and i know im comparing race with gender, but like, black women only straighten their hair to be more accepted within the western world because it shuns nappy hair, therefore, women should go back to nappy because their decision to straighten their hair is based on the western patriarchal gaze. True, that unconscious aspect might be there, but just because you take off the veil, and understand why you wore it, doesn't mean that you have to abandon your aesthetic preferences just cuz way back when someone qualified aesthetics that way, if people think they look good and have good self-esteem then they should keep doing what they are doing. now for women who dont, and realize they are ONLY doing it for the gaze, well thats different, but that doesnt mean women who have a certain body preference for themselves should feel that they are "hurting" women or contributing to some anti-feminist movement in not letting themselves go for some political or feminist agenda.

"Girls do not dress for boys. They dress for themselves, and of course, each other. If girls dressed for boys, they’d just walk around naked at all times."
— Betsey Johnson

re: health

I have to be brief, but: You can't really tell a person's health by looking at them, regardless of where their fat is. Perhaps our brains think we can, but we can't. I appreciate that you are happy with your body and do not look the way you do for male approval, but you speak of other body types with a type of disdain and disgust that is disturbing*. Perhaps you should think about your choice of words a bit.

<3, Michelle with a hanging belly

*I am particularly speaking of this: "how is this healthy as opposed to having C size breasts or a phat ass. what is healthy about a waist that protrudes so that is hides your genitals, or you cant fit any clothes, or you feel uncomfortable looking at your own reflection." Women (or anyone of any gender) with hanging bellies typically aren't SO OMG FAT that they can't put on clothes. If anyone feels uncomfortable about looking at their own reflections, it's because of attitudes like THIS. It's called cultural trauma. Check it out.

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of course i don't mean health as in what the cells are doing in the body, or if you have diabetes or whatever. i mean being in good physical shape. and yeah a lot of women who have huge guts or thighs DO feel uncomfortable and not because of society but because it doesnt feel good on their body or they cant buy clothes at the store or they dont feel like they good in clothes,und. see the below commer mine about that. i have many friends who are bigger that cant buy clothes that fit them, cant indulge in the new fashions even though they love fashion or for me, who wears a size 36dd can maybe only wear five bras in the vs store, and yeah im voluptuous. im not saying they cant wear any clothes, but i feel pretty strong in saying that most women who have large bellies, either from baby weight, or overeating, or genetics, or not dieting, WOULD prefer to not have that. and my point in the first response was that women should not have to feel bad about that because society also demands it. for the health aspect it DOES feel better not having a lot of excess weight, you have more energy, more stamina, etc. that isnt trauma it's a fact.

if it seems i speak of other body types as disturbing it is not intentional, i dont judge anyone, and if it came back that way it was a reaction to how the author depicted skinny or voluptuous women, some of us are born that way, some of us wanna get that way, and shouldnt have to feel bad about it by someone who decides to refuse to. everyone has their own choice but i dont need me or my skinny friends or curvy ones being judged for just "being"

>they cant buy clothes at the

>they cant buy clothes at the store or they dont feel like they good in clothes

Clothes are not a naturally occurring item. People make them. If your friends can't find clothes that fit their bodies, it's because manufacturers and stores are not providing them. In Mauritania, the popular body type for women is much larger than here. They make clothes for fat women there.

My point is, most of the "feeling uncomfortable" isn't necessary. It's because of our culture, not some biological fact. Yes, we all know obesity can cause health problems, but "feeling bad" is not something we normally advocate for health problems. We don't shame people with high blood pressure or other invisible health problems. Let health problems be treated as health problems, not beauty problems.

um WHAT

"sort of bringing back the hottentot persona, which for black women as well is really nice."

did you really mean this? do you know what this refers to?

Good call. Wow.

Not only is "hottentot" an offensive term; there is nothing "nice" about racially-charged sexual slavery. Siren, care to explain? or maybe choose a different phrase?

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I agree of course. But this

I agree of course.

But this week's trash mags were all about Kim K whittling down to a size 4 from a size 6. When she is curvy there is no fat on her anywhere. She is no where near obese, which is where I think we have to take this conversation. We need to admit that the point here is Oprah fat, Roseanne fat, Rosie fat. Kirstie Ally fat. THAT FAT. I am that fat, most women who are fat that kind of fat. We can't buy clothes in the regular size stores and Jennifer Lopez's plus sizes do not fit over our hips or our arms.

I am really tired of rehashing the same fat phobia lines without getting to the core. People get this fat in this culture because we learn behaviours very young about consumption, food as pleasure and play instead of nourishment, food as control. Genetics is involved, and evolution of the species. What happens to our brains in an over saturated culture is involved. What happens when food is everywhere and has not nutritive value; when we sit for hours at work and play and only walk short distances and only exercise in January.

My huge fat body represents what is wrong with this bloody culture. It scares the hell out of people. It represents illness, impeding death. How many fat asses and bellies accompany evening news items about diabetes?
My huge fat body is not sexy in hetero patriarchy, and let's be honest, it is not sexy in a pro woman, pseudo feminist or even radical feminist context.

Acknowledge me, us, not in the way that shames us, in the way that really sees us, and something will have to be done. RIght now I live in fear of some asshole taking a photo of my ass and posting it on 'people of walmart.' Instead, we should be shutting down walmarts, boycotting such classist, sexist, racist and heterosexist shaming websites, looking our girfriends who are clearly in the middle of some sort of culture induced shame eating session in the eye and telling them to stop, just stop now.

Yes we live in patriarchal culture that hates us, shame us, makes us invisible unless momentarily sexually available/desirable. I don't wear my 'this is what a radical feminist looks like' pin most days now so as not to have everyone goin: ya, so, fat dyke, and? This is a problem (in italics and bold.)

My point is: we have to get smarter in our blogs and discussions. This isn't about individual women famous or not. It really isn't even about what men find desirable and how women participate in our own objectification.

We have to stop navel gazing, and start acting, proposing change when we have a big insight. So Kim K is curvy and volumputous because her ass is one big porno induced and infused 'erogenous' zone. Who cares? What are we going to do about it? How are we going to change this? Why are smart women rehashing the same ground over and over again but losing out in their personal fights with patriarchy and as a group we are losing ground for all of us? Fat is a Feminist Issue and The Beauty Myth are so 2nd wave and STILL relevant. Dove ads are for assholes.

I am not going to set a personal goal to lose 100 pounds and not have that be a political statement that requires systematic change in the world around me. Because for me to lose 100 pounds is a political act and systematic change will be necessary for me and other people to get well, to get healthy and stay that way. For this woman's body to be healthy and strong is something that is dangerous to the world.

All of the famous women I mentioned above are super smart, hyper intelligent, forces to be reckonned with and all have been maligned for their weight and now the public discourse is always about that and not about what they are doing or thinking. They are too dangerous. So they are attacked. We are all dangerous, if we act in the world and make change. Still, we allow ourselves to get fed a pablum of fat induced hysteria.

I said to one of my clients today, : It makes no sense to go into treatment (for drinking) and do months of recovery as an individual and then come back out into the 'real' world and nothing has changed - how the heck are you supposed to stay clean when everyone around you is using? Same goes for fat recovery.

Will power my ass. Revolution is what.

Be a little more open mined here

I am a relatively slender female who has added a little weight recently and not it in the prescribed appropriate places. I however, think being, what seems to me as angry, at people (and I say people because being a heterosexual female I find these figures attractive) who find these figures attractive is unfair. It is very much a biological response. These characteristics are found and have been found through out time to be indicative of a healthy female who is ready to breed. If you must, blame the biological imperative.

which is exactly why ...

Tamara's point (above "Be a little more open minded here ...") is so very, very BRILLIANT! Yes, have an open mind, indeed. Unfortunately, the patriarchal status quo of our present society that so shames fat people (even ones who are size 6!) is certainly not open-minded.

I am involved with social change on this and other issues to OPEN minds, not CLOSE them.

Okay...

Look, I'm a fat activist. I'm a social worker who works really closely with issues of size acceptance. Normally love your stuff.

However, I don't necessarily like how this particular piece puts one body type against another. While it's true that one is privileged over the other, it is not necessarily the fault of the women with those body types. "Sure, it's great that you're seen as sexy because you've got the proper measurements, but do you want attention to be paid to you solely as a product of an oppressive gaze?" It reads like you're putting the onus of this oppressive gaze on the women who are receiving it. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I didn't get the impression

I didn't get the impression that this piece put the onus of the oppressive gaze on the women receiving it. I took the line you're referring to as a way of saying that by all of us holding up the cultural love of women like Christina Hendricks as, "Yay! People are beginning to see fat women as sexy!" as a way of still celebrating a narrow view of beauty while believing ourselves to be super open-minded. Believe me. I think Christina Hendricks is sexy. I'd argue that the author possibly does as well--this piece in no way rules that out. But I have to agree that while I celebrate the Christina love, I find it sad that she's been put up as some poster girl for lovin' the big ladies. Meanwhile, I've heard men who celebrate the "curvy" Christina-esque figure alternately say they're "disgusted" by "fat people". I think that might be the viewpoint the author is trying to point out. Certain types of fat = good while other types of fat = bad all plays into the objectification of humans. And she puts the onus of that kind of mentality squarely on the shoulders of the oppressive gaze itself, not those receiving it. The line you point to might be somewhat problematic in the way it's worded, but I do think she does plenty leading up to that line to point out that the problem is the opressive gaze itself and the society that operates on the oppressive gaze.

Privilege is never the

Privilege is never the person's fault, but it deserves to be recognized as such.

Reading over some of the

Reading over some of the comments about how this post appears to be putting the blame on the women themselves for having an acceptable type of fat body (big boobs, big hips, small waist, slim legs) got me thinking about something. I didn't read this that way at all. I have one of those "acceptable" fat bodies. I'm the exact same size as a coworker whose fat is proportioned differently and falls into the "less acceptable" category. No one believes we're the same "size" (dress size) because, well, people tell me I'm "thin" (and the implication is taht she is not). This phenomenon is so weird to me, and I think it's the kind of phenomenon we're talking about here. But as one of those "acceptably" fat women, I don't feel like any blame has been placed on me for this either in this blog post or elsewhere. I feel like some of the feeling like the finger has been pointed at the women themselves may be coming from another culturally instilled direction--that of the idea that women are to blame in general. Women should feel guilty. We should feel that everything having to do with our bodies is our responsibility--it's our fault if we're too sexy, not sexy enough, just right or all wrong. We should try to be sexy enough that men love us but not so sexy that women hate us. We should have big boobs and small waists and if we don't we've failed miserably as people. However, if someone says they're not going to celebrate the ideal of the big boobs and the small waists and we have those, we've failed yet again because as women, we're supposed to keep everyone happy. I don't read this post as saying we shouldn't celebrate certain figures, only that we shouldn't hold them up as paragons of fat virtue while continuing to shun other types of fat. And that's no one's fault but the people doing the holding up or the putting down and the lookers, not those being looked at.

That's why the expression

That's why the expression "skinny bitch" always really bothered me, as though I've chose my body purposely with the intent of making others feel self-conscious. I know that some people don't mind the term--there was, I believe, a commenter in the last post that argued for its use--but I really don't like it. I figure, if you call me a skinny bitch, then I'll call you a fat bitch and see how that makes you feel. Reducing someone to a body or a collection of body parts is a disgusting and all too common practice, as is making people feel the need to apologize for their physicalities.

Bigger issue

There's a bigger issue at play here than just male gazes or even cultural stereotypes. We are talking about marginalizing and dehumanizing a large part of our population by society and media. Ridicule on the basis of body type is perfectly acceptable in this country, while there's diversity promoted in all other areas of human differences. Why don't we see many fat women at the beach? Maybe I should speak for myself, but I for one am not ready to be ridiculed for "cottage cheese thighs", "muffin tops" and whatever other slurs this culture uses against us.

Now let's think about it for a moment. Would anyone dare publicly ridicule a person of color, a person of different culture or an older person wearing a swim suit? No. So why is it still acceptable to treat fat folks like trash? Oh, I forgot, its because we are allegedly out-of-control gluttons who let ourselves go!

Then there's the whole travesty of "plus size clothing". First of all, why plus size? As far as I know, 14 is the average size for American women. Second of all, why can't we have all sizes at the same store? Some stores don't even have anything beyond size 12 on the shop floor, so you have to order online. How, oh dumb retail asses, am I supposed to buy online if I cannot try things on? And it seems like so many "plus size" pieces are made with weird colors, weird patterns, weird flirty sayings on t-shirts. Just because I am fat, it doesn't mean I wanna look like a clown.

some thoughts

I've really enjoyed your articles on fatness. Partly due to what you've written, I've been working on my own issues related to fatness. I've started to understand that perhaps there are parallels to other forms of oppression. Particularly when looking through some of the defensive comments by women that identify as slimmer and feel as if their bodies are being attacked, it made me recall in undergrad and grad classes in sociology and social work when the issue of white privilege was discussed, and how some of the white students became very defensive. This connection might be a stretch, but it just struck me as strange that a lot of the same language is being used. I think that fat women have a right to be pissed off and frustrated that we don't see positive representations in the media, that we are ridiculed and considered disgusting by our peers at times. And I think that articles like this truly help to push back at this oppression, and help women like myself recognize that there's nothing wrong with me, its dominant culture not accepting me that's wrong.

So thank you for helping me understand this, as its never brought up in the classrooms I seem to be in.

Love it!

Love it! I think a lot of the comments are reading too much into this short, fun piece (we need to pay attention to tone and intent). Great work, and the stomach rolls comment made me laugh out loud!

another amazing piece

Awesome piece, Tasha. I hate the word curvy. Hate. I also hate the gasps I get when I call myself fat and then people are like 'call yourself voluptuous.' -___-. No thanks. How about, you don't decide what I call my body, and fat is not a bad thing? That sound good? K. Curvy, voluptuous, words like that, I hate it when people pretend they mean 'fat' and so they deserve cookies from the FA movement. No, they just mean 'same impossible beauty ideal but with boobs and butt.' oh nice.

I would like to begin by

I would like to begin by saying I adore this post, it points out a few great issues.

I am admittedly one of those with ideal proportions, 32c, 23, 33 to be exact, and trust me it is not awesome. You get a number of women who hate you for it, and men cannot pull their minds from the gutter lng enough to find out your name. You also look over-the-top and trashy no matter what you try to wear.
To make it worse, I work in a male dominated sports field, where I am competing with the same men who think I'm nothing more than a sex object, despite my constant and occasionally physical corrections. I've got to the point I rather starve myself a bit, just to look a bit gross, but I do not like the objectification that comes with my body type. I on the other hand, have an aesthetically incorrect face, and men and women (especially women) are quick and relentless with their quips on that matter. I think they are harder on me in that aspect simply because I am in good shape. "Oh she has a nice body but has a dog face" What the hell, what about my 4.0 GPA, or my accomplishments in my sport? Screw appearence. I'm genuinely healthy, and I am happy, what else matters?

I think it is rediculous to say fat is fine in certain areas, but not others. The smallest flaw, saw flabby arms or cellulite, on an otherwise lovely women is magnified and scoffed at. Why do we have to be effin perfect? This is a joke! To make it worse, women are not helping the issue either. They constantly rag on each other and encourage the bullshit. Men might be to dumb to think over their biological urges, but come on ladies! I think we need to start to remedy this through our sisters first.

This is a complicated issue, and one commenter said it right, it's not about will power it's about a revolution.

Excuse the typos and spelling

Excuse the typos and spelling errors, by the way :) Sorry, got excited and rambled away without checking anything.

Agreement & Dissent

I have no problem with larger women... admittedly, my tastes run that way in the ladies I date. I agree with you; it's wrong to label some fatty tissue as attractive, and others as not- particularly when women are supposed to have a larger degree of fat biologically.
The problem is that those "curves" on those very specific models only work if their curves still fit in a size 2-6. I spent most of my life as a waifish tomboy, and suddenly exploded into pin-up glory. I have extremely well-defined curves; an hourglass figure in fact. 40-28-41. Which sounds like a gift from god, right? Except for the fact that there are two types of clothing; those for artistic waifs, and those for a luscious curvy figure. Jeans will fit in the hips, with several inches of extra fabric bunched around the waist. I would wear a size small t-shirt, except that given my proportions, my bust size means I have to buy large.
50 years ago, I would've been a healthy, attractive, normal woman. Now, I'm a freak that catches flack from both sides...and I know I'm not the only one.
Size-ism effects everyone.