Jon Stewart on Gaza

So it appears that I'm not the only one who couldn't just let the events in Gaza pass without comment (http://bitchmagazine.org/post/the-politics-of-pop-culture). Mr. Jon Stewart also had an opinion and a pretty forceful one at that:

Jon is getting a few snarky posts in comments, but from what I've seen he's also gotten some really positive feedback as well. That nobody is calling for his job, I think, is a huge huge leap of goodness that I am very proud and happy to see.

Jon's skit also made me think (as his commentaries often do), what would have happened if it had been a woman making those exact same comments? Do you think he would have been embraced by so many people?

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What if a woman had made those comments?

I think Sarah Silverman's said waaaay worse than Jon Stewart. I use her as an example since they're both just comedians. People expect crazy s*it to come out of a comedian's mouth, at least I do.

But if a serious anchorwoman had commented like this, I don't think she'd be as quickly embraced as say, Anderson Cooper.

Thank God for Jon Stewart--whatever God that is.

Thank God Jon Stewart at least addresses the issue of the out-of-proportion response of Israel. I've always felt terrible for the Palestinians...they've been forced off their land, their resources taken away from them, their water funneled away from them, treated like shit...

I mean, come on, wouldn't YOU be a little pissed?

To rephrase one of the analogies, "Suppose we took over Vancouver and turned it into a shithole with isolated garden communities that were like paradise for North Americans, and decided to call our part of Vancouver Pure Americana. And then strictly segregated the Canadians, forced them into ghettos, and made them live in poverty. I don't see a problem with that. Do you? Aren't you an American, for God's sake?"

From A Closet Palestine Supporter

Thank God Jon Stewart at least addresses the issue of the out-of-proportion response of Israel. I've always felt terrible for the Palestinians...they've been forced off their land, their resources taken away from them, their water funneled away from them, treated like shit...

I mean, come on, wouldn't YOU be a little pissed?

To rephrase one of the analogies, "Suppose we took over Vancouver and turned it into a shithole with isolated garden communities that were like paradise for North Americans, and decided to call our part of Vancouver Pure Americana. And then strictly segregated the Canadians, forced them into ghettos, and made them live in poverty. I don't see a problem with that. Do you? Aren't you an American, for God's sake?"

are you kidding me?

Hey genius, Jon Stewart can say these things because he's Jewish. Like Chris Rocks analysis of internalized racism or issues within the black community are more readily embraced because he's part of that community. This isn't about Stewart being a dude or a comedian, it's about him being a member of a community that he's criticizing.

Conflicted...

As to a woman saying the things that Mr Stewart is saying? I'll have to check Rachel Maddow and see what she's saying on the subject, if anything. She's the only woman in the news media whom I not only agree with on most of her points, but actually respect.

It's hard to see women in the news become passe, and lumped in with the 'women with tits, not brains' department of thinking. When Katie Couric was receiving such heavy criticism, I watched some of her broadcasts and decided that it wasn't the fact that she was a bad anchor, it's the fact that she was a serious woman in a profession that expected her to remain as she was: the perky face of NBC. While I find it difficult to stomach watching 'The View', there are also interesting points made on that show, even if they are edited in such a way that I find distasteful.

Thoughts on the situation in Gaza? Well, sadly, there are points being made by both sides. I'm still conflicted though.

I'm conflicted on the whole deal. I support Israel, I admire the state as it stands, but it has been very difficult to justify that support this past week. My friends have always questioned why I support the Israelis, and even why I have my heart set on studying in Israel someday, especially since the politicians who seem to support it are conservative right wingers who don't have the interests of the people at heart so much as their own. I'm conflicted, as I said, because I'm not sure what Israel is doing. How did the situation turn into this? I just don't understand it, and I admire Mr Stewart for speaking his mind.

Of course no one is calling for his Job....

And why should anyone? This is free speech and he has a right to his opinion, even if it does not match with most Jews.

I watched the episode, and I'm willing to give a comedian leeway for anything he says, but when Stewart was effectively justifying the rocket attacks by literally saying how Israel is "used" to them and therefore shouldn't attack is very telling.

To rephrase the rephrased analogy:
Suppose Americans went to live in a "shithole" like Vancouver (where a few Americans and Canadians lived for centuries) and made it successful in every way, but the BC Canadians were so opposed to so many Americans living there that they mostly evacuated the zone for the rest of Canada to come and kill the Americans, then were super pissed when Canada failed to do so on multiple occasions, then demanded that the Americans simultaneously support them while they continued to attack them independent of the Canadian Army and called for the death of all Americans (as per their charter).

Remember, these were the people celebrating 9/11 and every terrorist action you've ever heard of. I support a two state solution (as opposed to the one state solution of Hamas), but I'm hardly jumping for joy when a Gaza civilian is accidentally killed, doesn't that tell you something?

the 'celebrating 9-11' stuff

the 'celebrating 9-11' stuff has been pretty thoroughly debunked. the footage shown on tv wasn't even from that day, it was from much earlier.

your analogy doesn't work because canada is a different country than the US, and the canadian government can (and does) pick and choose which americans get to live there. palestinians were not given that choice, and the borders created in the 1940's were not respected by israel.

what if all the romani from europe moved to southern california and set up a country. how would the american people in southern california react?

to correct your

to correct your analogy:

-"where a few Americans and Canadians lived for centuries"

There were around 750,000 arabs that were forced to flee their homes in 47-48. Read the book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, by Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe. Jerusalem has been the cultural center of people living in Palestine for centuries.

-"that they mostly evacuated the zone for the rest of Canada to come and kill the Americans"

I'm assuming your speaking of the radio broadcasts of arab countries telling palestinians to flee so that they could attack. It has been proven that these never happened, although it's the standard Israeli "self-defense" tactic that has been used for half a century, when overwhelmingly it's Palestinians lives that have been lost.

It was Israel that invaded the Occupied Territories, Egypt and Syria in 1967. Israel invaded Lebanon in 82 and 2006. This is the same as the US' version of "self-defense" against a future attack, which is plain ridiculous.

Less than 20 Israelis have died in 8 years from these rocket attacks. 200 people were killed in the first few minutes of the december 27 bombing in gaza. 1300 hundred people, almost all civilian according to the international doctors, around 5000 people seriously wounded. Literally hundreds of children were straight-up murdered. How is the (4th largest us-supplied military) invader in self-defense of one of the most starved, deprived, impoverished and densely populated people of the world.

-"I support a two state solution (as opposed to the one state solution of Hamas)"

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Funny, because Hamas supports the two-state solution and has for the past two years, since Jimmy Carter had first met with them. It's just not reported here. Actually, the entire world has agreed to it for 30 years, the UN vote passing usually around 165 - 7, with the US, Israel and some pacific islands voting against it. It's the same plan that ALL Arab League members agree to, including Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas, and the rest of the world. Israel and the United States have blocked over 40 resolutions, security council decisions, geneva conventions, the world court rulings, etc.

I really want to say thank

I really want to say thank you Jon Stewart-he has the guts to do something that not many others in his position in society would-that is tell the truth about the injustice of Israel.

Sure, he is Jewish, so a lot of people say that he can "get away" with it because he is a member of that community...but I think this brings a bigger point to the table (which I have been stressing):

*YOU CAN BE AGAINST THE ISRAELI POLITICS WITHOUT BEING AGAINST JEWS. I think that is the big misconception here in the US. We seem to think that if we do not blindly support Israel, then we must hate Jews. That is not the case at all. I personally have no problem with any religion...but I sure as hell have a problem with Israeli politics (and the whole creation of the state in the first place...I mean stealing the land from the Palestinians in 1948 is just NOT acceptable...and then constantly defying the UN resolutions by building settlements on what little land they left the Palestinians..) To the woman that left the comment about not knowing why she supports Israel-Ill tell you why...because you were raised in a way that Jew=Israel. Which is simply not true.

Thanks Jon

I ran into this accidentally. No wonder Jon Stewart has captivated America, along with fellow traveler, Stephen Colbert. They are the only REAL news outlets left. Who will tell the people?