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Insulting the Intellect, Agnes Scott College Opens Its Doors to Road Trip II: Beer Pong

If you view the website of Agnes Scott College, a private all women's college in Decatur, Georgia, the visitor or prospective student will find idyllic pictures of fresh-faced young women with telescopes, smiling students engaged in music, or tony looking youngsters attending a swanky social gathering.  In the rotating slideshow, there sits the most formidable question of life development: Who will you become?  If your eyes drift to the right, the mission of the College hugs the top corner,  "Educating women to think deeply, live honorably, and engage in the intellectual and social challenges of their times."

By every measure of that statement senior Louisa Hill, a guest blogger at The Bilerico Project, is doing just that.  For all the varied struggles against sexist oppression, I surmise she would not have anticipated finding one of those battles on her own campus when the College struck a deal with upcoming sequel Road Trip II: Beer Pong and gave open accessibility to not just the physical campus for shooting the flick, but to the matriculated students as well.

Hill's report gives account of deeply disturbing actions that have taken place on campus with the filming of Road Trip II: Beer Pong.  She outlines the racist and sexist recruitment efforts:

...Craigslist ad states "primarily seeking White" and "Attractive Female Model Type" extras, valued at $7.17/hr (be sure to send in your weight!). These racist and sexist standards are clearly visible on themovie's promotional flier, helping to perpetuate the image that onlysexy white people go to college. The flier shows a headless white woman's body, focusing on her large breasts, barely covered by a shirtthat says "Nice Rack." Her pelvis is in front of a triangle of shotglasses. The tagline? "Get your balls wet." 

The students were also subject to horrendous stereotyping as the film crew shot the "Lesbians Until Graduation" scene which only eroticizes lesbianism as nothing more than an experimental "choice" made in the absence of men and, in the movie industry, sells women and their sexual identity as a heteronormative gift for men. 

 ...the scene involved the male protagonists stumbling upon the room full of these "making-out lesbians" (to presumably "convert" them?). When we expressed offense, the recruiter said she was warned about encountering uncooperative students who were"really into being women" (versus into being objects?).

Other incidents of objectifying the students at Agnes Scott were documented, including reckless behavior of extras working in the movie.  One student reported being told that she was so attractive she should be careful of being raped.  Another student, carrying a cup of coffee, was asked by an extra to get him one as well.

In the glitter of gifted professors and sprawling green spaces, it is easy to forget that higher education is a business.  It is an intellectual playground for thinkers and activists, the thrilling table in the exchange of ideas and challenge.  Underneath that playground, however,  the business roots of higher education occasionally sprout foul-smelling weeds that spring from damaging deals.  To students, those agreements feel like betrayal and rightly so.  All the elements that lift a women's college to another realm of engagement and learning is completed neutralized by a $30,000 business contracts that allow hapless Road Trip II: Beer Pong to sink its claws into, what appears to be, a vibrant and promising student body. 

While the College recently announced its smallest tuition increase in over 35 years and boasts the College's willingness to go the extra mile during these hard economic times, I'd wager that the students and their families would not have minded a sharper tuition spike if it meant cancelling deals with films that not only stand in contradiction of the College's mission, but attack the values and minds of the women whom they claim to be educating.

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just wow

firstly, why would any decent college with any sort of standards allow something like that? I'm sure the Alumni are pissed. I am and I don't have anything to do with the school.

uncooperative students who were "really into being women", WTF? what is should say is uncooperative students who are really not into being a sex object for a bunch of unintelligent frat boys. I'd call for a boycott of the film, but I think no one of this site would have seen it anyway.

I would be so peeved if my

I would be so peeved if my University opened me up to this type of harassment and allowed it for the sake of saving me from paying more in tuition. I'd rather pay more then be forced to swallow this type of treatment.

The students really should rally together and protest this treatment. They have a lot of power when it comes to this, simply because they are the one's paying for their education, and for the salary of the educators. They have a lot more say and pull than they probably know, and if they could get together and talk to administrators about the type of treatment they're receiving there is the possibility of something being done about this situation.

Student Displeasure Ignored

I am a student at Agnes Scott, and we did bring our concerns to the administration. After sending in individual letters to the deans, they were collected and apparently discussed. Our new president (founding director of Duke University's Kenan Institute for Ethics, no less) addressed the issues we raised by sending an e-mail out to the campus community. It was generally received to be vague with the clear intention of attempting to save face, very unreflective of the president the students had quickly come to know, love, and trust.

Some of the more direct and juicier bits of the email were as follows:

"In some cases, films have also helped to raise Agnes Scott’s profile and, in fact, have attracted students to apply and enroll. We make a decision on a case-by-case basis about whether to include, in the film contract, that Agnes Scott be listed as a location in the credits. In this instance this was not included in the contract."

Yes. We're not going to put our name on the credits. That'll keep our secret safe that we accept money from people who degrade women. Hey, isn't that like being a prostitute... except not since the students aren't allowed to decide if they want this money or not. So, it's more like being a sex slave.

"For example, on the Road Trip II shoot some issues arose involving extras. After quick intervention by our location manager, the extras engaged in inappropriate behavior were immediately fired and the entire production shut down to give the director an opportunity to speak to cast and crew about the behavior expected of them. On a shoot last year, a crew member damaged college property driving a cart too fast. He was fired and the film production paid for all repairs. "

Will they pay for emotional damage caused to those students who were harassed? Doubtful.

And finally...

" But I also need to acknowledge that if we restricted ourselves to films that fully reflect Agnes Scott’s culture and promote our mission, we would drastically reduce film-shoot revenues. I am hopeful that as more women – including Agnes Scott alumnae – enter positions of leadership within the film industry, they will work to change and improve it!"

Yes. Drastically reduce those $30,000 a pop revenues that happen a couple of times a year. This revenue is less than the cost of tuition for one student. Do the math. Also, of course, we should build up the female objectification that has gone rampant in the entertainment industry so we will have a bigger challenge to try to change it. Because, who doesn't love a challenge?

Agnes Scott, you lose my respect more every day.

We protested to the best of

We protested to the best of our abilities. Several of us made signs, infiltrated the shooting of the "LUG Club" scene, and got the attention of the filmmakers. My sign said "I am not a stereotype." As a result of our silent protest (we stood behind the cameras quietly hold our signs), several crew members thanked us for sharing our opinion and the screenwriter took his photo with us. He thanked us for our interest and stated that he didn't really like these films, but they made money. Not a great excuse, but acknowledging that something wasn't right was a start. Many of us wrote letters to our administration outlining our concerns and were met with nothing short of a brush off from our president. Basically, it was explained to us that it came down to a matter of money (a mere 30K--not enough for one student's full-year tuition and definitely not enough to create a significant overall tuition increase) and that if we only chose films that coincided with the college's statement of purpose we wouldn't have any films shooting here. Some of our school's latest film projects included "Van Wilder 3" and a canceled remake of "Revenge of the Nerds." Thank goodness I go to a school that will easily abandon its values for a quick dollar and then give me a response that is sanitized for my convenience when I ask why.

hooray louisa.

As an Agnes Scott student, I'm so glad this has made it past our campus. This isn't the first horribly offensive, straight-to-DVD racist-sexist movie in the past six months, either. This summer Agnes allowed Van Wilder 3 to be filmed on campus, which while not as disruptive (as less students were on campus) was still horribly offensive.

I feel a little betrayed by our president, honestly. For years we've maintained one of the top five most beautiful campuses in America, and these are the companies we're working with? Appalling.

Thanks Louisa! :D

Kudos to the Students

Thanks to ALL for the comments and thoughts about this post.  Before writing this post, I took a few moments to reflect on what my reaction would be had I been a student at this College and experienced what Hill expressed. 

I have a deep respect and admiration for the students at Agnes Scott who organized and rallied.  The energy and resistance of students cannot be overstated and I think it teaches invaluable lessons of what can be compromised for money and what is non-negotiable.  The students set the tone for future agreements with films who promote degrading messages toward women.

Cheers to the movers and shakers at Agnes Scott.

-LFB 

Uhhh...

Um. I think I'm too appalled for words...

Dissent At Agnes

I would have thought something like this to not even be possible at Agnes.

I can see if maybe there was a film that made fun of Mumia Abu Jamal or something. That Agnes women wouldn't rally to oppose something like that perhaps. It's not the most racially diverse and sensitive place in Atlanta, itself.

However, I am surprised that a film directly attacking and stereotyping white women would make it pass the line.

Why wasn't the campus shut down by striking students? One would surely think there were enough juniors and seniors (assuming first and second year students might be afraid) to stop this mess. But not 100? 200 students could be brought together? No community partners to swell the ranks?

As corporate as Morehouse is, if a film came that directly attacked Black men in this way, I don't think it would be allowed by the student body. And we saw how the women at Spelman kicked Nelly off the campus a couple of years ago.

What gives?

Higher Standards

I would hope that any place of higher education - regardless of its conservative or liberal atmosphere - would take up action if ANY entertainer, film, or performer denegraded or insulted a segment of the population, regardless if it's white women, black men, the GLBTQ population, or those with physical disability.  For particular Colleges such as Agnes Scott which have a pronounced responsibility for educating women, this incident is beyond shocking.

-LFB

This was right in the middle

This was right in the middle of midterms. A lot of students were frustrated that the administration would do this to us, especially at such a stressful time, but many were just too exhausted from academic work to do much more than a small protest. Doesn't excuse it, though.

In the future, I hope that WAVE, the campus feminist organization at ASC, or the LBTQIA Collective will provide more leadership in opposing this bullshit. Every protest that I know of was organized by students acting independently, and they just didn't have the resources to get the word out like those groups would.

Outraged!!!!

This makes me glad I no longer attend ASC. I wonder if Pres. Mary Brown Bullock would have allowed this. I'm glad some of the scotties silently protested and wrote letters. However, I do think that students (Student Government maybe?) should work together to try to have their opinion heard before the school decides to you use the campus that they pay for. This is important because when an alumna tells someone she graduated from Agnes Scott she should not have to be associated with a movie that degrades women. Is it not Agnes Scott "The world for women?" I think that the student body would have also had greater control of this if the administration was told the that the greater media had a chance of finding out. I do not think Kiss would have sent that letter if she thought prospective students had a clue of what was going on and how she would quickly sell the honor of one her students for a quick buck.

Boycott ASC

As an alumnae, I cannot express my disappointment enough in Agnes Scott. My time at ASC shaped me to become the woman leader that I have become and I am deeply saddened that the administration has actively participated in undermining the values that were instilled in me: think deeply, live honorably and engage the social and intellectual challenges of our time.

So, with a heavy heart but strong passion, I call on all you who are as outraged as I am to boycott Agnes Scott College. Don't apply, don't visit, don't volunteer, don't donate. I am saddened to see that ASC so cheaply sold its values but since that is their priority, a mass movement that impacts them financially may be the only way to get a message across.

So, join our Facebook group: Road Trip II: The Boycott of the Alums (Alums only) or our Facebook event: Road Tripp II: Boycott!

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=40694287895#/ical/event.php?eid=40...

Make your outrage into action!

I disagree...

As a member of the class of '06, I would like to first state that I am also extremely appalled and outraged by all the I have heard concerning this terribly degrading movie. However, I can't say that I agree with absolutely boycotting Agnes Scott College. I love ASC. However, I think that it is absolutely necessary that our opinions are heard. And that is one of the things that makes ASC so special, they hear the words of the students and take them to heart. I actually believe the opposite should be done. Instead, we should be donating like crazy while sending letters stating where we want our money to go and also letting them know that we absolutely disagree with their decisions to allow such filthy movies to be filmed on the campus. The less money the campus receives from it's Alums the worse off the school is. I see this as a chance for Alums and families to get even more involved in the campus so that our opinions can really be heard and taken into account. The more involved and the louder voice we have, the better. That's how I see it. The bottom line is, the more money and time that we donate to our school, the louder our voices. That's just how the world works. I want to see an improvement - We must be active, not silent. The more we do for the school, the better.

With love and hope for the future of ASC,

IDS

Thank you thank you thank you

I appreciate you reporting on this. I am an Agnes Scott recent graduate and am highly saddened by my former college's lack of compassion towards the daily discrimination and stereotypical sexism that all women, especially queer women, face.

To know that my own all-woman's college would sell us out so cheaply really is discouraging because it just shows that society has such a long way to go before women aren't objectified constantly.

Obviously current students were very much against this film, yet that did not persuade the college to step back and take these opinions and feelings into consideration.

Its downright disgusting.

A little late with the disgust I think..

I too share feelings of dissappointment with my dear ol' Agnes Scott. I've got to say though, why hasn't all the outrage come out until now? It seems to me we should have seen this coming after what our administration has allowed to take place on our campus over recent years.

Our campus was used for an American Eagle photoshoot, as well as a filming location for the failed Revenge of the Nerds remake. I felt insulted having to take detours to go from building to building so as not to get in the way of various shoots. Imagine, if you will, the a young woman lugging her physics books past a group of preening models lounging in the middle of one of our walkways and overhearing "Like, OMG, there are really no guys here? Why even go to college?" I kid you not. Or how about having to sit an exam while on the quad just outside, take after take of the Large-Crowd-Cheering scene goes on. Try studying or getting some much needed sleep while set up crews make all kinds of racket at 3 am. Yeah, I'm sure that had no detrimental effect on our scholarly pursuits. Oh and in case I forgot, the fashion industry doesn't exactly exemplify feminist thought nor does it have anything to do with women thinking deeply and engaging in the intellectual challenges of our times. Need I also remind my fellow Scotties that our students were approached by Revenge of the Nerds crew to be extras as well, supposedly to play the part of average college students in the background of various shots, yet surprise, surprise, only the "hot" girls were actually given the parts, because we all know that only hot-chicks go to college, right?

I find all of this to be degrading, insulting, and completely inconsiderate of our administration. Granted, this whole Road Trip II mess is taking the degradation up a few notches for sure. Yet before it was taken to this level, we just stood by and let our school be used in ways we didn't approve of, doing nothing but grumbling about it amongst ourselves. Where was all the outrage then, was I really the only one that felt insulted and betrayed just a wee bit BEFORE Road Trip II set foot on our campus? I don't think so, yet any attempts at real protest against these previous "fundraisers" were half-hearted and met with "Well, it really isn't THAT big of a deal. Plus, I got my picture taken with Pedro from Napolean Dynamite!". Maybe if we had gotten a little more disgusted and outraged from the beginning, this recent film would never have been allowed onto our campus. If you lay down like a rug, expect to be walked on.

I am glad to see that the Agnes Scott student body is finally putting its foot down, even if it is a little late coming. All we can do now is continue to show our displeasure with our administration's decisions and hopefully it will dissuade them from making the same choices in the future. Much love and props to Louisa especially. Get 'em girl.

I do not consider myself a

I do not consider myself a feminist and attended a large co-ed state university that had an element of "drunken frat boy" culture to it. Despite all of those things, I am shocked and offended that anyone would say such things to college women, especially ones that are graciously allowing such an intrusion on their campus. The fact that this happened at Agnes Scott, a college where I have many friends, is absolutely appalling. I understand that the administration may feel that they need to present a welcoming atmosphere to films so that when a crew comes along looking for a location and will actually pay that location more than $30k that the film crew will see ASC as a friendly option, but none of that is any excuse for the abuse the student body endured.

Please forward this

Please forward this information to all of your friends and professors. Louisa emailed Lee Dancy (who sends out all of the Agnes Scott publicity emails) a week ago, when the editorial was first published in Southern Voice. Apparently President Kiss wants to respond to it herself, so she requested that Lee Dancy NOT forward it out to the ASC community. Censorship, much?

SO SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!! LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE!!!

CENSORSHIP

Louisa emailed Lee Dancy an announcement of the original Southern Voice editorial to forward to the ASC community (like they do with all of the other student publications). That was a week ago. Apparently President Kiss requested that he NOT send it out to the Agnes Scott community because she wanted to respond to the issue herself. While it would be great to have a proper response to this issue (unlike the syrupy previous response), President Kiss is not letting Louisa's opinions stand on her own or be heard by the ASC community. And if President Kiss does send an email out, her views and her stance will potentially overshadow Louisa's editorial and prejudice others.

I cannot help but equate the different treatment this editorial is receiving from the school to censorship.

Louisa is a representative of the student body at Agnes Scott and her editorial expresses widespread concerns the community had about the film on campus.

I have heard more than one professor state over the past weeks that they are just excited to see students getting passionate and engaged about an issue affecting them, and I do not see why the administration should not join in this excitement and allow the dialogue to continue in the community without inserting its views on top of those of students, whether or not they conflict.

I personally am very disappointed that Louisa is not being given the same treatment every other community member who is published or written about in the media receives.

So PLEASE FORWARD HER ARTICLE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!!!

agnes scott road trip movie

As an alum of Agnes Scott, I am, of course, like many others, extremely disappointed that the president of the college would, due to eyes blinded by cupidity, permit a movie promoting prejudicial ideals to be filmed at Agnes Scott College. By I believe the Princeton Review, the college has continuously been named among the most beautiful campuses and the colleges with dorms like palaces. Of course, such attributes require finances; however, such attributes are NOT necessary for education or instilling pride among young women. Demonstrating to young women that discriminatory ideologies, i.e. sexism, racism, homophobia, et all, will not be tolerated is a MUCH greater necessity, one that clearly Agnes' president appears to have overlooked in favor of materialism, a misguided belief that Agnes Scott cannot thrive educationally without possession of things, exquisite lawns, dorms, buildings, well beyond the realms of education and instilliation of moral values and pride within its student body.

Nevertheless, as a side note, I wonder why a student would feel the need to report an incident where a crew member asked her for a cup of coffee. Regardless of the inappropriateness that this student may have personally felt to have been associated with this incident, this certainly does not seem like the type of incident that need be reported. If a student cannot deal with someone asking her for a cup of coffee, I wonder how she exepcts to be able to handle herself in a co-ed work or potentially, future graduate school environment where she may well face trials, specifically, difficulties with co-workers, fellow students, or in some cases, customers, far greater than this. In general, I believe that, in order to advance, women need to be learn to fight their own battles without acting like children running to a more powerful adult to do their work for them. Futhermore, in this instance, I am confused as to the exact nature of the battle that she was attemtping to fight.

agnes scott is not the world for women

Perhaps, Agnes Scott is not the world for women. Perhaps, Agnes Scott never was the world for women, and this only demonstrates it in cinematic fashion. Agnes Scott graduates women and doesn't help them to find jobs; in fact, it can be difficult to even get letters of recommendation for graduate school from the professors. The professors don't care; I already know that. Obviously, the president doesn't care about the fate of fellow women, or the student body, either. From my experiences, I would say that Agnes Scott is not a good college for young women to attend if they wish to be anything but a daycare worker; a nanny; a homemaker; a waitress; a lowly paid retail employee; or for those with extreme ambition, a grade school teacher--see what a progressive college Agnes Scott proves itself, time and time again, to be. Women certainly couldn't have held such professions as babysitter 200 years ago.

Or, perhaps, ASC is not the

Or, perhaps, ASC is not the world for some kinds of women - I do know that it was the kind of college where I was able to get recommendation letters not only from my professors but also from the president of the college. It's the kind of college where years after I graduated, my former adviser still keeps up with where I am and how my research is progressing. It's the kind of college that prepared me for life in such a way that I have been able to study and do research abroad on several different grants and fellowships, attended one of the top graduate schools in my area of study, and continue working as a researcher internationally. My fellow alumni are dentists, lawyers, business owners, graduate students, doctors, therapists . . . and the women I know who took on the difficult but rewarding work of grade school teaching, daycare, and homemaking are not in those positions because ASC is a lousy school, but rather because they have chosen to dedicate themselves to work they find personally fulfilling.
Re: the film. . . was this particular film in line with the values of the school? Doesn't sound like it. Were the film crew respectful and gracious? Doesn't sound like it. Is the school looking to keep its coffers filled? Sounds like it. I'm disappointed to hear what went on (and having gone to another school where filming on campus and the immediate environs went on almost constantly, I fully understand the annoyance it can cause) but I'm having trouble summoning up the outrage. I'm sure the school would much rather the campus was featured in high-brow entertainment only, but it seems excessively cautious to turn down a large lump infusion of cash because the film itself caters to the baser interests of the straight-to-dvd viewing public. Maybe next time we can convince a nice documentary to use our school as backdrop, or it can be the setting of the next Merchant-Ivory production?
At any rate, letting the school know through polite but strongly worded letters seems a more prudent response than boycotting or withholding (obviously needed) funds - and in the end, wasn't the lack of prudence at the heart of the problem?

Wait, did we go to the same

Wait, did we go to the same school? I went to Agnes Scott; and when I said that I had a difficult time getting letters of recommendation, I spoke from experience. Then, when I did apply to graduate school, I was rejected at 9 out of the 10 graduate schools, mind you, state schools to which I applied and to which I applied directly in my major. Also, let me mention, that I did not graduate with a 2.0 GPA; I graduated cum laude, which may not seem like much of an accomplishment compared to the scores earned by those most beloved by the teachers; but to me, was an accomplishment which I worked thousands of hours to acheive in hopes that I would not be where I am today, lost in the middle of nowhere.
When I, after being rejected at most of the graduate schools to which I applied, contacted one of my professors, her only response was, essentially, well, you don't go to college to get into graduate school; you go to college to learn about humanity. TO LEARN ABOUT HUMANITY! I went to college supposedly to learn about humanity. Let me tell you about humanity. Humanity isn't learned by sitting in a college dorm room or attending Agnes Scott; or for that matter, as you so proudly boast, a top graduate school, humanity is learned by living in a world that is not always kind, or let's say, as kind as you may hope for it to be, and by watching others suffer even more than you do --so that you can understand the full array of entrapment in a near meaningless existence rendered meaningful only by community love, loyalty, unity.
Congratulations on your success in this world, by the way! But, when you mention that only a certain type of women should attend Agnes Scott, I wonder to whom you refer? I suppose that you don't refer to me. I should have realized sooner. In addition, I wonder who these fellow alums of yours may be who are now prominent lawyers, doctors, and academics? Amazing that I don't know any of them. Also, amazing that the Wikipedia article on Agnes Scott mentions so few accomplishments of these supposed extremely successful graduates of whom you refer; yes, I know, how cheap of me to mention something as widely viewed as a Wikipedia article, but I suppose that's just the type of woman that I am, cheap. So cheap that you know what, Agnes Scott isn't getting a cent of my money in donations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_Scott_College

Now, doesn't this site say it all! Bravo!

I'm sorry to hear you've had

I'm sorry to hear you've had such a difficult time pursuing whatever course of study you were anticipating. However, there are many reasons people have trouble getting into graduate schools and you should perhaps examine your applications critically to see what it is holding you back, because graduating cum laude from a reputable university probably isn't it. I don't know why the professors were reluctant to give you a recommendation, but I can say that it is certainly not one universal for ASC students.
And your professor is right - the point of college is to give you a solid liberal arts education that prepares you for an adult life of the mind. For some people that means going on to graduate school and further study, for some it means finding a rewarding career, for some it means public service. College isn't the only path towards any of these, nor the one true way to interact with humanity, but you don't seem to feel it was valuable and I'm sorry you feel you've wasted your time.
I mentioned my own entry into graduate school and research not to denigrate people who don't chose that life, but because you seemed to imply that it was not something ASC prepares women for and because you seem very narrowly fixated on graduate study as the measure of a woman's worth. I too am amazed that you don't know any of the many wonderful and successful women who've studied at ASC, but you seem to have spent most of your time being bitter.

2 of a kind

"I too am amazed that you don't know any of the many wonderful and successful women who've studied as ASC, but you seem to have spent most of your time being bitter."

First off, how does the first part of this sentence relate to the second? Perhaps you believe that I have met with unfortunate post graduation; hence, I have decided that Agnes Scott is not a good school and have thereby closed my eyes to all of the supposedly successful women of which you claim have gone to Agnes Scott? This is actually not true, and the evidence supporting my case rests as much on my side as on yours, since neither of us have been able to prove our points beyond a doubt. (Are we two of a kind, each blinded by our own biases?)

As far as the fact that I have spent most of my time being bitter, you are incorrect about this. I may not be what you would call as having a first rate job or living in a first rate area or accomplishing first rate goals--at least as far as the criteria for success created by the capitalistic world is concerned; however, I hardly spend my time being bitter. I have found a world of failure fear love life beyond the prison of academia I hardly consider this the sole route to a woman's success, though perhaps you do?

Remember, I am not the one in graduate school, pointing out the misguided beliefs of women who have not been able to be accepted into graduate school, and how so many other paths exist in this world beyond the path of graduate school. I wonder, why didn't you choose one of these paths outside of graduate school, if you value them such? Why don't you walk in my shoes or the shoes of so many others not in your position, and then tell me about bitterness and humanity and the learnings that come not from the prison of academia but from the prison of life? But, would you?

Sorry, I meant post

Sorry, I meant post graduation and of whom you claim..typo....

College isn't the only path

College isn't the only path towards learning about humanity? College ISN'T a path towards learning about humanity. Never have I met somebody who rose out of college with a more elevated sense of humanity than when they began, unless these lessons in humanity were learned during their college years outside of their classes. But, again, this is just me. According to you, people, which I would assume includes yourself, supposedly learn a great deal about humanity through your classtime and course work. Perhaps, then, graduate school is the path of salvation for you and etc, so that you can learn even more about humanity.

You've got to be kidding me.

I graduated summa cum jack with a philosophy degree (of all things!) from Scott in '02. I had no problems whatsoever getting letters of recommendation, nor getting into graduate school (in an unrelated field!). I still keep in touch with Behan, who was a great professors.

There's nothing inherently wrong with Scott just because YOU had problems post-Scott.

Ok? &?

Maybe you had no trouble getting a letter of recommendation because you graduated summa cum laude? I did NOT graduate summa cum laude--notice the discrepancy, that is, comparing two DIFFERENT situations, entirely. I can tell how intelligent Agnes Scott students who graduate summa cum laude must be.
I requested through the online magazine that my posts be erased. Apparently, that is not acceptable to them, as I have already posted and made my thoughts public domain. My mistake. But, while I do not seem to be able to write without typos and my opinions do not seem to be in concordance with those of others, the responses to my posts are as ridiculous and narrowly based as, well, my posts. No great exception there.

summa cum jack

Reread my post! I didn't say I graduated "summa cum laude!" I said I graduated "summa cum jack!" Meaning WITHOUT HONORS!

I can see, however, why you would not be able to get any letters of rec.

"summa cum jack" can either

"summa cum jack" can either be interpreted as "summa cum, jack," or as a slang way of saying that you did not graduate with honors. judging by your bragging about your great accomplishments in the thereafter, i interpreted the expression as meaning "summa cum, jack" or as "summa cum, loser --look at how smart i am," as a way of addressing someone who you believe to be inferior. i apologize for not interpreting such message as an indication of your somewhat low college grades; however, maybe, next time, before you decide why people receive or do not receive letters of "rec," you should check the clarity of the way that you express yourself through writing, as to not confuse others through your sloppily written slang. thank you.

by the way, how did you ever receive "letters of rec jack?"

No, dear, a lack of prudence

No, dear, a lack of prudence was not the problem, a blatant statement of disregarding the value of women, to whom the president is feigning that she is attempting to education, was the problem. But, I suppose, you should know best, afterall, you are the one in an amazing graduate school.

Finished, actually. Thanks.

Finished, actually. Thanks.

WARNING: did u kno that only

WARNING: did u kno that only 25 percent of all agnes scott graduates find a job in a field related to their major within the first six months after graduation? so, what happens to the other 75 percent?

I am looking into

I am looking into transferring to Agnes Scott, and eventually want to be a grade school teacher. I think it's a bit hypocritical to get so outraged at a movie who stereotypes and degrades women when you degrade that women who want to be teachers.

Dear, there is nothing wrong

Dear, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be a grade school teacher. there is nothing wrong with wanting to be a nurse or a stay home mom or to hold any other traditionally female, pink collar role. actually, i myself work in a job that is very much pink collar--pink collar jobs can be awesome! look at super nanny or nanny mcphee, or at how some nurses are making so much now days that female nurses are often sole bread winners for their family.
However, it would delusional to believe that there is anything new, anything breakthrough about women entering pink collar jobs, even high paying ones. doing so is never going to expand the dreams that young women can hold for their futures beyond those dreams which women held and fulfilled years ago. did you think about this?

Damage to the Annual Fund?

I am also an Agnes Scott alum and a regular contributor to the college. While I will not stop contributing both time and money, I wonder what effect this will have on contributions to the annual fund. Could the benefit of the $30,000 shooting fee be lost due to less contributions by alums, faculty and other donors?

Perhaps a straight apology from the President could help mend some fences?

I wonder, why contribute to

I wonder, why contribute to a college that devalues women if you, yourself, obviously, are a woman? Do you support the denigration of women and their efforts to rise into prominence outside of the domestic and caretaking spectrum in this world? Just curious; any suggestions.

ASC isn't a college that

ASC isn't a college that devalues women - it's a college dedicated to supporting and educating women that made one boneheaded decision to let a dumb movie be filmed on campus. It wasn't the most brilliant decision in the world, but it hardly cancels out more than a century spent educating women.

flip reverse

What if the film is symbolic of a far greater failure and the promise of educating women is the true illusion?

Maybe it really wasn't a lot of money...

But as a first-year who loves Atlanta, and Agnes Scott, and isn't sure she can afford to come back next year, hell, let them shoot stupid movies. Hey, that's 30K less that they might take from our tuition funds for the sky-high landscaping budget. Why don't we protest the landscaping budget? Why don't we volunteer to maintain the grounds at Agnes ourselves? We all joke about how expensive that is, but I can't be the only one who sometimes resents the grass, and that stupid garden by the Chapel.

And I could add a lot to the argument above about certain types of women going to Agnes. It's completely true, it's a great place for some women. And for me, it's incredibly challenging and sometimes terrifying, and I really don't know why I'm here to become a teacher, when I'll graduate with crippling debt during a recession, and yeah, maybe some people resent that ASC doesn't make things a little easier for us. I still love the school. I still understand both your viewpoints. I've never been an overachiever. Agnes will never be the perfect school for me. It's still the school I ended up with.